How did Americans become so completely Stupid ?

There is a constant harangue on the word Socialism in this chat room.. deafening.
and yet do any of you know what socialism even is ?
the countries with the very highest living standards employ Socialism in a blended economy…Including the united States.
But for Health Care there is very little difference between us and most of western Europe where the people live longer, healthier, happier and more prosperous lives… almost directly relating to their socialized Health Care.

Are you all so concerned with Health Insurance company profits that you would actually get rid of what it is that made America Great ?
no the ability to live a happy expanded life is directly related to your level of health..

we are a very sick nation
"Guess what the greedy health care system does with those profits….they invest in research and development to advance the medical industry throughout the world. Name me one country with a socialized heath care system that has made ANY breakthroughs that have advanced modern medicine. Without OUR health care system the entire world’s health care system will suck"

LOL …Really ?

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/09/1558241

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html

http://www1.voanews.com/learningenglish/home/a-23-2005-12-13-voa1-83126882.html?moddate=2005-12-13

http://www.health-tourism.com/fertility-treatment/spain/

http://www.asthmanaturalcure.net/russian-doctor-asthma-cure
scribble I hardly suggested I was the only thinking American… Neil is here as well ;-)
Poor laws requiring townships to provide for the health and welfare of the poor existed in the colonial days, and were made into law when the states were formed. The screeching right simply does not know their history.

The only socialism in the US is the tax cuts and infrastructure spending for the benefit of the corporations. It’s interesting that we never hear the republicans complain about the total lack of coporate self-sufficiency.

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Again, like a broken record. These young males never have an original thought. It’s like a cult.
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"Are you all so concerned with Health Insurance company profits that you would actually get rid of what it is that made America Great ?"

I mean you honestly think big government is what made America great?

That’s rather amusing coming from someone proposing to give us a US History lesson.
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I do. I am well read in Bakunin, Trotsky, and Marx, I have a very good idea what it is…which is also why I’m a socialist/Trotskyist :)

Obama isn’t a socialist. he is a conservative-leaning moderate who believes in Keynesian economic theory, which isn’t even close to socialism; it’s just that the right-wing in this country is so far-right, they see anything aside from anarchist capitalism as "socialist".
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Surfing the internet all day.
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No they don’t know what socialism is, they think they do but they clearly don’t or they wouldn’t be calling Obama a socialist.

They don’t know they are concerned with health insurance company profits, they have been manipulated into believing that being pro-business is pro-usa.
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Public education and Liberal indoctrination in colleges.
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it began back in Nov. 2000 when "W" stole the election from Gore and has gotten progressively worse since.
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We repeatedly cut education to pay for our military.

Pretty stupid, eh?
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you have classified an entire nation of people as stupid because you do not agree with the opinions of a portion of the people in that nation. This shows me and everyone else that you have lost the ability to reason.
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Life Expectancy in the US is 78 on average. The highest western European nation is 81. Is trillions of dollars really worth the extra three years?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

don’t worry in 4 years, the americans will be screaming that they aretrying to take away their health care!
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A lot of them embraced modern liberalism. That’s how.
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"Are you all so concerned with Health Insurance company profits that you would actually get rid of what it is that made America Great ?"

This one gave me pause, specifically "what it is that made America Great",

what historic items do you see that made America great that is portrayed in this current health care debate?
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We are just trying to act like Europeons.
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Yes, I know what Socialism is. And I know that Liberals commonly use definitional purity as a pretext to avoid any real discussion. Socialism is represented as a spectrum. The common feature of that spectrum is the confiscation of wealth from some people in order to provide benefits for others. A corollary is the creation of government bureaucracy to manage these transfers and to make decisions as to who or what gets taxed, and how that money is to be allocated. On one end of that spectrum is a limited government which collects taxes in order to provide only those services which cannot reasonably be provided by the private sector, such as national defense. On the other end is a Government which owns the means of production, and makes all economic decisions which are mandatory and backed up with force, if necessary. Specific programs and policies can be identified as more or less socialist on a comparative basis. So, while libraries and public roads are indeed within that spectrum, they are far less "socialist" than a government run health care system.

Some Liberals are fond of insisting on definitional purity, and rather than admit that government controlled health care is a move toward socialism, they will instead mock that argument by insisting that Republicans or Conservatives are simply too ignorant to understand what it is. Or, they’ll remind us that since libraries and fire departments are within our definition of "socialism" that we’ve already accepted it in principle. For them, consistency demands that a rejection of something like the health care bill implies that libraries must also be rejected. These are, of course, ludicrous arguments, but popular nonetheless. I actually think that most people, including Liberals understand that "socialism" as used in the current political context is something of a spectrum as I’ve described. But as a means of avoiding the discussion as to whether we are becoming more socialist, which they recognize would be wildly unpopular, they seek to avoid the discussion by falling back on a narrow definition which excludes whatever program or policy under discussion. As a side benefit of doing this, they also get to belittle and demean whomever suggests that a program or policy is a move toward socialism, by questioning their intelligence.
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Education isn’t a right in America like it is in the rest of the civilized world.
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What made America GREAT was the taking of the land from the American INDIANS and the ENSLAVEMENT of BLACKS!
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I all started when too many Americans were exposed to lead paint as children.

They grew up and this is the result. Lead line wine goblets did the Romans in so it is fitting.

Now they are so stupid they believe whatever they are told by the insurance industry.

If you try to tell them that you have good health care and lead better lives because of it, they will call you a liar.

And the lead poisoning caused many of them to become violent, throwing bricks and such.
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Thanks for reciting the Democratic talking points. Your question was really thoughtful and original….Not.
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Progressive education standards
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Guess what the greedy health care system does with those profits….they invest in research and development to advance the medical industry throughout the world. Name me one country with a socialized heath care system that has made ANY breakthroughs that have advanced modern medicine. Without OUR health care system the entire world’s health care system will suck.
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Socialism…That is a popular word these days. Everyone thinks we are becoming socialist because of the Health Care Bill. But think about it; We have public schools, public libraries, public roads, public parks, all of which are paid for collectively by taxpayers. We have social security as well, and a government run postal service What makes any of said things not socialist and health-care in fact socialist? Why? Because of the Nazi propaganda that Fox News feeds us.

But don’t preach to us that you think you’re the only person who can think in America.
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Poor laws requiring townships to provide for the health and welfare of the poor existed in the colonial days, and were made into law when the states were formed. The screeching right simply does not know their history.

The only socialism in the US is the tax cuts and infrastructure spending for the benefit of the corporations. It’s interesting that we never hear the republicans complain about the total lack of coporate self-sufficiency.
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"History of American Law" by Lawrence M. Friedman, pp.212-218

Okay…….Just so you know The BIG BAD Insurance co. are the ones that are going to make a killing off this health care Law. They are the ones that still offer ins. The government has to collect 2.9% of every ones income for 4 years before it can compete. So the BIG BAD Insurance companies are going to increase YOUNG peoples amount for insurance to off set the pre exiting coverage, which all states have by the way. Have you noticed that all health care and pharmacy stock went up. But in 4 Years you may be able to get a government plan but for now we are screwed.
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You are right

I never went to Harvard , studied overseas , or banged a French chick ( on the bucket list) so I can not explain socialism

but I do know that the government making a person buy something is ( insert word here) .

I do know that Europe is tiny and has many problems and the USA is very large and has many problems ,, I’m betting on Americans fixing America where Europeans are hoping that their governments fix their countries ( or collectively depends - upon the problem) problem
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EDIT: To answer your question directly - PUBLIC SCHOOLS

I think your the same that posted America was on par with Cuba in health care Ho you bet a country that imported doctors and equipment from Spain to care for Castro a country short on toilet paper is on par with America Try and get it in your head There is no country on par with America
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How did Americans become so completely Stupid ?

SO TRUE!!!!…..just a look back at the last elections and it’s very clear!!!
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I don’t know if it is stupidity, as much as it is ignorance, anger, and hatred.
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the political system through the school system started the dumbing down of america.but somehow they have them thinking they(the younger generation obama voters) are the smartest in america. they can’t study history,so they know nothing about there gift of freedom.all they know is drugs and sex.except for a very few.and the government will take care of them.boy are they in for a surprise.and they never learned of a loving GOD that at one time blessed this country.but has now turned HIS face from us.we pray to turn back to HIM.and pray HE will bless us and shine HIS face toward us again.
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Just look at what is presented to the whole world as US "entertainment". It is blatant brainwashing. The population of Germany were subjected to years of this kind of nationalist propaganda from 1933 to 1945. German POWs had to be re-educated by their captors at the war end. Who is going to re-educate citizens of the US?
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Laziness and narcissism infect our culture. People don’t value higher knowledge. They often seem to snub their noses at it. Just witness how often the "elites" are ridiculed for getting such high SAT scores and getting into those "elite" colleges. Ah what a shame to be intelligent. Poltical parties literally have to pretend to be dumber than they are to have any hope of connecting to the people or being the one they’d like to have a beer with.
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