American health care behind Israel and Chile!?
im studying health care system throughout the world and thought this was disgraceful. America claims to be one of (or the best) country in the world for medical science etc and yet in The World Health Organization’s ranking of the world’s health systems you are 37 yep thats pretty low! you are behind Israel (28) and UK (18) and Oman (8) isnt this scary? also ive been learning that the public is afraid of an NHS system (where you pay medical from your taxes instead of through insurance) well if you do that you never (ever) have to ask for an operation or anything, it just gets done (no matter what) yes we have waiting lists but your insurance companies just plainly say no to most of your causes (wouldnt you rather be on a list instead of a NO?) would you like an NHS system in America (BTW: i have done plenty of research for my final degree so these are facts not assumptions) i just want your opinion on the American health care system. should it change? are you surprised your num 37?
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html - the list if your interested
wow defensive much?? if my health care system was this bad i’d want to know and try and vote to make it better not just sit on my ass pretending it does not exist dont give me stereotypical american answers!
no the facts that make these WHO rankings are things like how many people are refused health care in america due to your insurance system and clean hospitals. its not to do with obesity etc its to do with what doctors do about it, what plans you have to stop smoking etc not refusing a person life just because they cant afford insurance, its wrong and if you dont even know how these rankings are done please dont answer.
ok you guys arent reading this at all! this is not my only source of course im a bloody graduate from university you need hundreds of sources to do a report like this. im not "bashing" America but the more Q’s i ask you the more you dont answer the Q and say every one else is wrong, the study is wrong, were right. i always thought people saying America was like this were worng but know i see you are this way.
Sigh, do not blame those in the US, for they have been lied to. Healthcare is better in the US, for those who can pay for it. The simple facts are that I, in the UK, with the NHS will live longer on average than those in the USA. And that is thanks to the NHS, our universal healthcare system.
Infant mortality is lower in the UK, and in western Europe than it is in the USA. And we pay less for healthcare.
Click the links. Check out the facts. Babies die in the USA that would have had a better chance of life in born in the UK. Fair on those babies?
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The WHO rankings actually have very little to do with the quality of health care available in a country. Most of the things that drag the US down in these types of rankings have nothing to do with the actual health care. How is a health care system responsible for the detrimental health effects of obesity, drug use, etc.?
The answer is it’s not, and it is extremely disingenuous for people to use these bogus rankings to prove the "benefits" of UHC.
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Sorry, but you are a smarmy dolt that confuses a little bit of information for intellect. Ranked items such as child birth weights, infant deaths, etc.,most certainly have a lot to do with obesity, drug use, etc. Also, several factors such as "fairness in contribution" are purely subject factors that don’t necessarily have any true relevance to quality of the health care. Therefore, get off your smug high horse and use an open mind for once.
Edit: Stop your whining. There have been quite a few answers provided - you just don’t like them. As such a "brilliant" grad student, please tell us how "fairness in contribution" equates to quality of health care?
Let’s break this down and make some sense of what they are actually reporting:
Responsiveness: The nations with the most responsive health systems are the United States, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden. This report says this not me.
Fairness of financial contribution: This calculation is income minus food expenditure. That sure leaves out a whole hell of a lot of other areas. What if, say the cost of housing was much cheaper or lower here. WHO is simply picking and choosing what is important to them.
Overall Level of Health: Basing our Health system on how healthy the people are makes little to no sense. If people go out and eat crap and make themselves fata55e5 from eating junk, that does not necessarily relate to how well they are taken care of, rather it shows major differences in lifestyles and freedoms. We are not ordered by our government what to eat, rather we are free to do what we want, unlike some other of these higher rated countries.
Distribution of Health in the Populations: Inequality is a fact of life in a capitalistic market, and is the price to being free.
Responsiveness: In the US you can get suregery immediately, for whomever, whenever. Emergency rooms turn away nobody. It takes weeks to months in these other higher rated countries.
Distribution of Financing: Calling one country that is more socialistic better does not make sense, which is what this rating is based upon.
Finally, consider the sources of your material. Just because you read one report, there maybe alterior motives. There is no question the level of healthcare can improve everywhere, however, some of these companies like WHO have serious financial motives in publishing the results the way they do. Think critically.
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Canada is ranked above the US, that doesn’t explain why Canadians come to the US for their health care. Cuba is ranked below the US, even though Fidel always proclaims that Cuba has provided health care for all.
In the UK, the NHS is going broke, quickly, and the gov’t now wants to emphasize "natural" childbirth without anaesthesia to lower costs. In addition, any condition not acute may not be operated on until years later.
So you can see that claiming to provide health care, and actually receiving it, are two different things. A lot of folks in America never paid into any health insurance, but would demand treatment if universal coverage came about.
That is why no one in America seriously believes universal health care will be anything but a disaster. As the first Pilgrims told THEIR freeloaders, if you don’t work, you don’t eat.
The ideal of socialism is "From everyone according to their ability, to everyone according to their need." In practice, everyone’s "needs" quickly swamp available "abilities".
But it is fair. Most everyone in Cuba has equally poor healthcare, food, housing, transportation, etc.
Before you fall in love with UN propaganda, the ranking you cite is consistent with infant mortality rankings among countries.
"The United States ranked 28th in the world in infant mortality in 1998.1 This ranking is due in large part to disparities which continue to exist among various racial and ethnic groups in this country, particularly African Americans."
– http://www.cdc.gov/omhd/AMH/factsheets/infant.htm
This is a polite way of saying infant mortality has a lot to do with culture, and little to do with health care resources.
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Sigh, do not blame those in the US, for they have been lied to. Healthcare is better in the US, for those who can pay for it. The simple facts are that I, in the UK, with the NHS will live longer on average than those in the USA. And that is thanks to the NHS, our universal healthcare system.
Infant mortality is lower in the UK, and in western Europe than it is in the USA. And we pay less for healthcare.
Click the links. Check out the facts. Babies die in the USA that would have had a better chance of life in born in the UK. Fair on those babies?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care#Economics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Worry about your own waiting lists and stop hatemongering and hyperfocusing negatively on the USA.
::And you’re the stereotypical nonAmerican bigot. You love saying how bad our health care is. That’s sad. Use that free health care to get therapy.
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